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Grateful Dead Live at Fillmore East on 1970-11-16

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Grateful Dead Live at Fillmore East on 1970-11-16


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Bill Graham Intro > Casey Jones, Me and My Uncle, Honky Tonk Women, Friend of the Devil, Cold Rain and Snow, King Bee, China Cat Sunflower > I Know You Rider, Hard To Handle*, Big Railroad Blues*+, Not Fade Away* > Goin' Down the Road Feelin' Bad* > Not Fade Away*, Frozen Logger, Mama Tried, Truckin'+ > The Other One+, Uncle John's Band+


Collection GratefulDead
Band/Artist Grateful Dead
Venue Fillmore East
Location NYC, NY

Source Soundboard
Lineage SBD > MR > Revox deck (model unknown) - 10 inch 1/4 track Reel @ 7.5ips > Revox B77 playback > Alesis Masterlink ML9600 > CD > EAC > Cool Edit 2000 > CD Wave > shntool > mkwACT > SHN (seekable)
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Transferred by Bill Gadsden and D. Winters

Notes

* Steve Winwood on Pigpen's Hammond Organ. Steve Winwood also provides vocal accompaniment on NFA>GDTRFB>NFA and 1st vocal verse of NFA.
+ Will Scarlet on harmonica.

D1T03 - Analog distortions and channel dropouts from unknown source,
possibly a loose plug in the master reel to reel deck.
D1T04 - Approximately 30 seconds missing.
D1T11 - First few seconds clipped.
D1T14 - Some distortion of Steve Winwood's vocals at the very end.
As with any 30-year-old tape, various analog gremlins and anomalies exist.

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Reviews

Reviewer: Dead In Istanbul - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 27, 2016
Subject: Underrated in my opinion
I know everyone has different criteria for rating shows, but I'm a little surprised this only got an average of 4 stars. The Other One here is fantastic and transitions into a fabulous Uncle John's Band with great harp work. Thanks gayr for all the research on the date and location. I give this 5 stars. As Rickfordskaggs wrote, this is a really fun show with amazing music and great sound.
Reviewer: RickfordSkaggs - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - July 30, 2015
Subject: Dandy
This was a fun show to listen to. Very chill Cold Rain and Snow
Reviewer: ws098 - - June 14, 2015
Subject: Photos from this show
Follow this link to see photos from this show, taken with my Kodak Retina when I was sixteen. You'll have to pardon the quality from a very inexperienced photographer.

https://archive.org/details/FillmoreEast11-16-70

Cold Rain and Snow from this show is exceptional.
Reviewer: doug_the_dude - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - November 16, 2013
Subject: --
You guys crack me up....one guy below has a pretty thorough, convincing 8-point argument in favor of this one being 11/16/70, putting the argument 'to rest' as it were....and the very next guy writes how the setlist is incorrect and that this is actually 11/23. Ah, you stoned deadheads...

A fun show, and more fun to try and detect who is playing on what. Winwood's presence adds the most on Hard to Handle. Shame about the big slice out of FOTD. I know there's an AUD out there somewhere - would be cool to see as much of this show as possible spliced and sliced together. '70 sbds are so rare.
Reviewer: njpg - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - November 16, 2012
Subject: Are you serious?
One of the best recordings available from '70 and it only averages 4? Very cool jams!
Reviewer: Agent Wednesdar - favoritefavoritefavorite - November 7, 2011
Subject: Incorrect Setlist Order
Greetings,
I've just given this show a listen, and I don't feel the above setlist order is close to accurate. To begin with, if this really is 11-23-70 Anderson Theater, New York, N.Y., Dead Base lists the setlist as follows:
Casey Jones, FOTD, Cold Rain, King Bee, China Cat> I Know You Rider, Mama Tried, Truckin*> Drums> Other One*, Hard To Handle, Big RxR Blues, NFA**> GDTRFB**> NFA**, Uncle John, Lovelight
*with Will Scarlet on harmonica **with Winwood, Capaldi, Wood and Ramblin' Jack Elliot"Uncle John" may have been the encore; "Lovelight" may not have been performed - $2 benefit for the NYC Hell's Angels - also: NRPS

One clearly hears the first few notes of Momma Tried at the end of Rider, and the set flows better this way.

In addition, I think that while the "banter" clip before the Hard to Handle certainly belongs there, there is no banter>logger before Momma Tried. Either these clips belong in a different recording all together, or perhaps they belong before the banter clip that precedes Hard to Handle.
Reviewer: garyr - - October 26, 2011
Subject: 11/23/70 show id 4743 is actually 11/16/70
This is the concert formerly thought to have taken place on 11/23/70 at the Anderson Theater in New York City.
This show has been shrouded in mystery and confusion over the last 30 years ever since it first entered
circulation in 1973. However, fresh research has unveiled what is most likely the true story behind this
classic Grateful Dead show.

On 11/14/70 at Frank Zappa's Fillmore East Late Show, Grace Slick came out on stage, on behalf of Bill Graham,
to announce an unscheduled concert featuring the Grateful Dead and Jefferson Airplane the following Monday,
November 16th. As it turned out, the Airplane were in the middle of breaking up and Grace was pregnant.
So instead of the Airplane, Hot Tuna filled in to share the bill with the Dead. A few days later,
on November 18th and 19th, Traffic played at the Fillmore.

There are several pieces of evidence which now point directly to the
"11/23/70 Anderson Theater" show being correctly identified as Fillmore East 11/16/70.

1) Traffic has been confirmed, in a letter written by the Kleinhans Music Hall,
as having played at the Kleinhans Music Hall, Buffalo, NY on 11/23/70.
This firmly places them out of New York City on that date. Thanks to Greg Shaw for this help.

2) Bill Graham introduces the Dead. The identification of his voice is clear,
as never before, on this new transfer. Bill Graham and the owner of the Anderson Theater
were not friendly with each other and Bill Graham would never have introduced the Grateful Dead
in the Anderson Theater.

3) A 1:55 snippet of Hot Tuna playing Hesitation Blues precedes the Dead's show
on the first generation 10" reel.

4) After Bob Weir sings the Frozen Logger off-mic, several people on stage can be heard
attempting to get Jack Casady to join in saying, "Hey Casady, why don't you play" and
"Hey Jack, hey Jack, c'mon up". Hot Tuna played on 11/16/70 at the Fillmore and they are
not known to have played at the Anderson Theater.

5) An eyewitness who attended the 11/16/70 Fillmore
show clearly recalls Steve Winwood and Jorma Kaukonen sitting in with the Dead.

6) Music was commonly played over the P.A.between sets at the Fillmore to promote upcoming shows.
Elton John played at the Fillmore East the following weekend, November 20th and 21st as the warm up
for Leon Russell. This was his first New York City appearance.

7) On page 382 in his book Long Strange Trip, Dennis McNally mentions
this show as being from the Fillmore East, 11/16/70.

8) Finally, the 7" reels, from which all previously circulating copies were made,
are labeled (albeit misdated) "Fillmore Nov 2, 70". Therefore, the misnomer
"Anderson Theater, 11/23/70" must have occurred sometime after the tapes entered circulation in 1973.
It should be noted that the Grateful Dead did perform at the Anderson Theater on 11/23/70,
however, no verified recordings of that event apparently circulate.

The order in which the songs occur has often been confused throughout the years.
Breaks do occur in the recording so it cannot be said with absolute certainty
that the order is correct. However, the current order is taken directly from the
first generation 10" reel, making the likelihood of rearrangement negligible.
If anything, any re-ordering occurred subsequent to its release into circulation in 1973.
The placement of Elton John's recording of Honky Tonk Women played over the house P.A.
after only two songs remains a mystery. There is also an AUD fragment from 11/16/70
of Good Lovin' with Jorma, Jack and Papa John Creach sitting in.
Exactly where this jam fits in is not known. Clearly, the music we have does not
represent the entire show.

Precisely what guest musicians appear in this recording and which tunes they
play on may never be known. Any further intelligence on the matter would most
certainly be welcome. Steve Winwood took over Pigpen's Hammond organ beginning
with Hard To Handle and he can clearly be heard through the end of Not Fade Away.
Will Scarlet from Hot Tuna plays harp and his playing is evident during
Big Railroad Blues, Truckin'>The Other One and Uncle John's Band.
Three separate cheers arise from the crowd prior to Hard To Handle;
the second of which is for Steve Winwood's arrival on stage.
Who or what precipitated the other two cheers is impossible to tell.
In the process of deciding what to play prior to the commencement of Mama Tried,
Phil Lesh and Bob Weir can be heard to say, "What songs do you guys know?"
"Yeah, you guys name a tune." From this we can deduce that at least two
other guest musicians were present on stage, however none of them can be
discerned in the Mama Tried that follows. Other than Will Scarlet's harp work
during Truckin'>The Other One and Uncle John's Band, an organ can be heard in the
first few minutes of Truckin', but then mysteriously vanishes from the mix.

This new transfer represents a significant upgrade to all previously circulating
versions. It is a direct A>D transfer from the original, first generation 10" ΒΌ track
reels, as opposed to the 7" reels which Bill Gadsden originally copied in 1973;
and again transferred A>D via Alesis Masterlink in 2000. The 7" reels are one,
if not two, generations further removed from the 10" first generation source.
Thanks to Bill Gadsden who diligently researched the accuracy of the actual
venue & date of this show as Fillmore East 11/16/70 and sourced out
the first generation reel.

It is my conviction that the myth of this show having taken place at the Anderson Theater
on 11/23/70 can now firmly be put to rest. If anyone can offer factual evidence to the
contrary, please contact me. Most of all please enjoy this all-time classic show!
Reviewer: copperdomebodhi - favoritefavorite - December 1, 2009
Subject: Me, not so much
Frozen Logger is just Bob and Phil goofing around off-mike - kudos to the fan whose ears were sharp enough to pick out what they were singing.

I'm less enthusiastic about this one than the rest of y'all, I'd rate it an off-night for the guys, despite the all-star line-up.

Casey Jones and Me and My Uncle are sprightly. As noted above, Honky-Tonk Women is actually a recording played over the audience PA. Steve Winwood comes aboard for Hard to Handle and adds enough tasty organ licks to make it the highlight of the show. The guys hand the first verse of NFA over to Winwood. Great idea to let a talented blue-eyed-soul singer take the lead ... would have been a better one if he had know the words! Truckin' is unremarkable, and The Other One never catches fire. Will Scarlet adds some fine harp wails to Uncle John's Band ... it's neat to hear this song from a blues perspective.

A few nice moments, like in every show, but not up to the standard of the rest of the year.
Reviewer: Cliff Hucker - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - November 16, 2009
Subject: Dynamite!
This is an excellent show and certainly some of the best music the band performed with guest musicians sitting in.

I believe that the Grateful Dead did indeed perform a Hell's Angels benefit in NYC on 11/23/70, but this is in fact a Fillmore East perfomance from 11/16 of that year.

Very good sound quality and an intereting mix, particularly if you enjoy hearing Weir slashing. Lots of guest infused jamming and a realy nice Other One and UJB encore. (97 pts)
Reviewer: Dylan M - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - June 14, 2009
Subject: Sound quality appreciated, nice vintage dead
Good show (average for 70), and good sound quality (better than average for 70s recordings). Nice standards of all of the G-dead material of the time. Big Railroad electric is still a baby and well done. China>Rider is energetic and hints at extended jams to come.

My only real beef is that the guest appearance during NFA is kind of annoying. I dont know it its Traffic or Tuna, i think its members of Traffic (as i hear the heavy organ sans Winwood) but whoever is given vocals on NFA totally fucks it up. They just repeat "im gonna tell you how its gonna be, love is love not fade away". Forgivable and minor, but its a goofy mistake. Who dosn't know the lyrics to NFA, there's only like five lines. Then right during a nasty GDTRFB bridge, the same person who fucked up the lyrics starts doing this primitive beep-box scat thing that totally overbears the Dead's playing. Bummer.

That weird observation aside, this is worth a listen for certain. 1970, especially late 70 has few quality SBDS, and by comparison, this is one of them.
Reviewer: ghostofpig - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - April 13, 2009
Subject: Fillmore East it was.
I can testify as to the place as I attended this show. It was, indeedee, at the East. Not the sort of show one forgets. Besides, we taped that bad boy and enjoyed one of the shittiest audiences around for years.

I do not recall a show at the Anderson at all.
Reviewer: staggerleib - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 22, 2008
Subject: Elton John?
As many know, there's an excellent recording of Elton John entitled 11-17-70 (notice, the following day) in which he performs this exact incantation of Honky Tonk Woman. I wonder how it's possible that this "PA Music" was able to grab a copy of a song that was recorded the following evening. To me this is suspect at best.

Meanwhile, an excellent show.
Reviewer: chinacatsnflwr5 - favoritefavoritefavorite - December 18, 2007
Subject: elton?
haha i really like what sounds like elton john playing honky tonk women, i dig it actually
Reviewer: BMc - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - November 12, 2007
Subject: 11/16/70
I understand there is some controversy as to whether this show actually occurred and if it did, where. Allow me to cast some light on this. Monday, November 16, 1970 at the Fillmore East (Not the Anderson) was my first experience with the Grateful Dead. The show was announced less than 48 hours before show time at the late show that weekend for Zappa. It was to be the Airplane and the Dead. Already being an Airplane fan, I was psyched to hear about it, and scored a mezz ticket. Ultimately, Grace came down with something *(she was quite pregnant with China at the time) and the Airplane didn't play. But The Dead, Hot Tuna and the New Riders did. The Dead came out at midnight and did one 3 hour set, followed by a free wheeling jam session. Traffic did indeed join them mid show for NFA, with Winwood on organ and Capaldi and Wood on percussion. The show was, to me, mind opening. I didn't know any of the Dead's material, but I knew "Not Fade Away", "Goin' Down the Road" (courtesy of Delaney & Bonnie) and Good Lovin', (which isn't on the set list but I would bet good money it was played!) It was a helluva way to get on the bus, and I'm still on.
Reviewer: gruUbic - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - June 3, 2007
Subject: Deep and poor
china>rider is PURE 70s
Elton Johns on this ride???

well done
Reviewer: gia3244 - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - May 30, 2007
Subject: 11/16/70
I was at a Grateful Dead concert at the Fillmore East during that time frame. I don't remember specifics of who played but I do remember that the show I attended was simulcast over a NY radio station so it was extra special, went on for hours and everyone was out of their seats the whole night. Maybe that's why this tape exists -- as a result of the simulcast. Anyone know any info about that ?
Reviewer: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - May 21, 2007
Subject: speaker meltdown
play this very very very loud for true effect! hard to handle for starters thru not fade! hold on tight and dont let go!!!! gone are the days this segment will get you there!!!! thanks archive
Reviewer: ShiningStar - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - April 12, 2006
Subject: 11/16/70
The following is part of the .txt file of a recent torrent.

------
This is the concert formerly thought to have taken place on 11/23/70 at the Anderson Theater in New York City. This show has been shrouded in mystery and confusion over the last 30 years ever since it first entered circulation in 1973. However, fresh research has unveiled what is most likely the true story behind this classic Grateful Dead show.

There are several pieces of evidence which now point directly to the
"11/23/70 Anderson Theater" show being correctly identified as Fillmore East 11/16/70. 1) Traffic has been confirmed, in a letter written by the Kleinhans Music Hall, as having played at the Kleinhans Music Hall, Buffalo, NY on 11/23/70. This firmly places them out of New York City on that date. Thanks to Greg Shaw for this help. 2) Bill Graham introduces the Dead. The identification of his voice is clear, as never before, on this new transfer. Bill Graham and the owner of the Anderson Theater were not friendly with each other and Bill Graham would never have introduced the Grateful Dead in the Anderson Theater. 3) A 1:55 snippet of Hot Tuna playing Hesitation Blues precedes the Dead's show on the first generation 10" reel. 4) After Bob Weir sings the Frozen Logger off-mic, several people on stage can be heard attempting to get Jack Casady to join in saying, "Hey Casady, why don't you play" and "Hey Jack, hey Jack, c'mon up". Hot Tuna played on 11/16/70 at the Fillmore and they are not known to have played at the Anderson Theater. 5) An eyewitness who attended the 11/16/70 Fillmore show clearly recalls Steve Winwood and Jorma Kaukonen sitting in with the Dead. 6) Music was commonly played over the P.A. between sets at the Fillmore to promote upcoming shows. Elton John played at the Fillmore East the following weekend, November 20th and 21st as the warm up for Leon Russell. This was his first New York City appearance. 7) On page 382 in his book Long Strange Trip, Dennis McNally mentions this show as being from the Fillmore East, 11/16/70.
----

Note: Rating 4 stars but haven't heard it. Doing so based on the other reviews.
Reviewer: Packy - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - December 7, 2005
Subject: Date Issues
I have a popular Traffic show that is listed as 11/23/70 at Andersen Theater, with Bill Graham introducing them (in association with Her Majesty the Queen, we bring you Traffic-priceless!). It is said that it was recorded off of Bear's rig. Thus, Winwood/Capaldi/Wood's presence in the NFA would make a lot more sense if it came from 11/23. I submit that either a)the Traffic show is listed incorrectly (not very likely) or b)contrary to the earlier reviewer this show IS in fact 11/23. If (b) is the case, either 1)Deadbase got the 11/23 setlist wrong or 2)this tape is actually parts of the 11/23 set with another show spliced in(11/16?) I haven't researched this thoroughly or anything(or even listened to the show yet), I'm just throwing in my 2 cents and knowledge of the Traffic show. I'm just running under the assumption that Traffic (from England) and the Dead(S.F.)probably wouldn't be in the same place in New York twice after 7 days. Any more info/enlightenment would be greatly appreciated.
Reviewer: jammy - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - October 22, 2005
Subject: Correct Date
Deadbase is probably wrong on the date. Look at the text or the review below to see why it has this date.
For it's historical significance a 4.5
For it's playing quality a 4.0 (3.5 for 1970)
Sound quality is excellent but the mix is interesting with Bobby way up front in my left channel and Jerry, Winwood, Will Scarlet farther back mostly on the right (note: I listend to this in my car, so maybe different on a home stereo). I like the Big RR Blues. It is a nice show and I'm happy it's now in my collection.
Reviewer: blindmule - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - April 29, 2005
Subject: Wrong Date!!
All sings point to this show being 11/23/70. Winwood, Capaldi, Wood and will scarlett playing these exact same songs on that date and there's no real info on a show on this date. If i had to take an educated guess I would say this show's date should be changed.
Reviewer: jumpturn - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - March 24, 2005
Subject: re: Frozen Logger & other weirdness involving this night
Here's what I found from deadlists.com on this night:

SET 2 is the tape which has long circulated apparently mislabeled "Anderson Theater, NYC 11/23/70." A variety of lines of argument suggest that this tape in fact comes from Fillmore East 11/16/70 and was mastered by the same crew that did 5/15/70, 9/20/70 and other surreptitious soundboard masters from this venue. It is not clear where the good Lovin fits nor how much more might have been played than appears on these tapes.

In the pause before Mama Tried Bobby sings The Frozen Logger off mic. The alternating harmonica and organ on Truckin' > Other One is Pigpen. Winwood sits in on organ on Hard To Handle, Big RR and Not Fade > Goin' Down > Not Fade. The harmonica on Big Railroad Blues may not be Pigpen. It's probably Chris Wood who takes the first vocals on Not Fade Away and is audible intermittantly throughout the following sequence. Uncle John's Band has a brief prelude jam with Will Scarlet on harmonica. Uncle John's sounds like an encore; Bobby says "See y'all later" afterward...
According to Corry Arnold on 11/14/70 at the Fillmore East after Frank Zappa's performance Grace Slick came on stage and announced on behalf of Bill Graham that the Dead and the Airplane would be playing a surprise concert at the Fillmore East on Monday, November 16th. On the 16th the very pregnant Slick was unable to make the gig but Hot Tuna substituted for the Airplane. This is why this show does not appear in ads and playbills etc."
Reviewer: HitParade - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - September 6, 2004
Subject: Something's missing
Pristine sound quality but where's the Frozen Logger? It ain't here.
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